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  1. Liz
    June 27, 2019 @ 11:54 am

    You are teasing us all! We can’t wait to see the results!!


  2. Mimi Barreras
    June 27, 2019 @ 12:03 pm

    I get this, but the functional reason for the lack of lip on many of the sinks is that you kind of need that space to put your belly. I’ve had drop in sink with flush across trim counters. I soooo prefer the lower set straight across apron version in terms of functionality. And you will not regret the super deep sink space going toward wall, nor would you regret a deeper basin.

    One thought that just muddles this. Rather than flush and that pretty sub trim piece, what if there was a way to decoratively front the front apron? Maybe incising the stone, overlay? I dunno. That would make it cease to be less flat and boring.

    Love your blog btw. You’re artsy odd like me and adore seeing your out of box solutions.


  3. Victoria Jones
    June 27, 2019 @ 12:07 pm

    I have the same issue with sinks why are they all so small? The solution I came up with was to buy an industrial size 36″ wide 24″ deap stainless steel sink and have a cabinet built specifically for it

    Excusee my under construction kitchen at the moment. But this is the idea. The countertop is not installed yet as I am still sealing it so it will be flush with the sink rolled edge.
    I am sure your brilliant mind will find a perfect solution to the delema.
    Victoria McQueen Jones


  4. NevadaNy
    June 27, 2019 @ 12:11 pm

    I have a Very Big Old Deep White Cast Iron double kitchen sink I bought at a junkyard for a few dollars.
    It is a great sink, but I don’t like the kitchen cabinet it now sits in.
    It deserves better….
    Thanks for the inspiration!


  5. Allison
    June 27, 2019 @ 12:13 pm

    Do you know price of the seamless stainless option? We are planning stainless undermount, about $200. But value of skipping the caulk line is making me reconsider!


  6. Robin
    June 27, 2019 @ 12:16 pm

    How in the name of everything holy are you maintaining your enthusiasm for all these details?! Me? I would just be wanting to cook an egg! How do you survive so long without a functioning kitchen!!?


    • judy
      June 27, 2019 @ 8:49 pm

      I remember VEB gave a detailed description of their functioning temporary kitchen. Veb and Paul are experienced in remodels, I believe Paul had done a house before VEB and they did a house before they bought this one so probably a fun hobby getting everything just right-I bet they sell and do it all again-too fascinating not to.


  7. yasmara
    June 27, 2019 @ 12:22 pm

    Wait, I would do something like the very last image – it’s like yours, right, in that the sink goes all the way back to the wall? I think you need that front edge. The bowl of the sink would be inside the cabinet and then instead of having a flat front apron that goes all the way across, you would have your fancy edge piece. So it’s like a more-traditional undermount sink but with your design details.


    • Pam
      June 27, 2019 @ 12:39 pm

      I second this idea. Would it mean you’d lose any of the volume of your sink to avoid an apron? You’ve proven yourself to be the queen of maximizing form AND function, but if you had to choose between losing an inch or so off the front of your sink or losing the fancy… I wouldn’t want you to betray Self. Go with the fancy.


  8. Melanie P
    June 27, 2019 @ 12:44 pm

    I can see why Paul hates the slanted apron. I am 100% on board with all of your other plans.


  9. Dorothee Maver
    June 27, 2019 @ 1:09 pm

    Here’s a wild idea: bump the sink to the edge of the counter and run the fancy under-counter-trim-piece around all three sides of the apron?
    You keep the trim, plus it accentuates the apron and everything continues to be seemless.


  10. Janet
    June 27, 2019 @ 1:09 pm

    I like your ideas but have some points you may want to consider. Toe kicks are there for a reason unless you have no feet. You will have to bend at an awkward angle to use the sink. The cabinet can still look furniture like if you leave a spot open for your toes. Or, extend the apron forward, which you don’t like. I like the fancy butting into the side of the sink best, with minimal apron. To me, shaped trim needs to die into a flat surface, or extend it past the side if the sink on the front of the apron and miter it back to the apron. Nah.


    • Catherine W.
      June 27, 2019 @ 2:12 pm

      I agree with Janet — eliminate the toe kick and you WILL kick your toes — bad for your toes and the perpendicular surface.

      And I agree with Pam and Yasmara — the last photo looks like what I was picturing as you described your vision. I love it!


    • Ryan
      July 1, 2019 @ 4:41 pm

      I don’t have toe kicks on my cabinets and never bash my size 11 feet into them. They are less necessary than people think. They will have a dishwasher and do prep on the giant piano island so the time spent standing at the sink or wall cabinets will be minimal anyway.


    • Penn
      December 30, 2020 @ 1:37 pm

      I agree with keeping a toe kick. From personal experience I can say that leaning forward makes backs, necks, shoulders, arms, and hips unhappy. The body is out of alignment and a toe kick relieves all of that misalignment. Give yourself a few more years, if you’re the person using the sink. I love your adventures & enthusiasm for keeping the goal intact without wavering.


  11. Dorothee Maver
    June 27, 2019 @ 1:11 pm

    Here’s a bit of a wild idea: keep the apron of the sink flush with the front of the counter and run the under counter trim piece all around the three sides of the apron of the sink.
    This solves all of your issues and you get to keep the sink seemless and get extra trim.


  12. Cara
    June 27, 2019 @ 1:29 pm

    So, question: couldn’t they simply match the front edge of the sink to the edges of the counter, at the exact same height? Taking the example with the highly figured stone just above the Buck’s County soapstone picture , instead of the ogee edge stopping on either side of the sink, that edge would be seamed right into the counter top. Instead of the sink front being lower, it would exactly match the counter, looking like one big piece of marble with a self-sink

    I hope that’s intelligible!


  13. Julie
    June 27, 2019 @ 2:09 pm

    I must warn you, especially since you are tall, DO NOT MAKE THE SINK TOO DEEP! It will kill your back.
    If you don’t believe me, head on over to your local church and volunteer to wash dishes after their oyster supper, or whatever the Philadelphia specialty is. Maybe you have a convent or a monastery nearby — someplace required by law to have one of those commercial deep steel sinks. Do a meal’s worth of dishes and you will see what I mean.


    • MaryHelen
      June 27, 2019 @ 3:50 pm

      I have to agree with Julie. The first thing I thought was I couldn’t do that, it would make my back ache and I don’t have back problems. Every time I do dishes at my parents’ house my back aches, but never does at my house. Good luck with the kitchen, I am a big picture kind of gal so the attention to detail blows my mind!


    • Kay
      June 27, 2019 @ 5:31 pm

      I too agree with Julie. I am only 5’5” but have extra long arms. I also have the Kohler sink you sold and the rack Kohler sells that fits inside it. Without the rack I would have to stoop just enough to make my upper back sore when I work at the sinkfor a long time. The rack is also a necessity if you don’t want your dishes and glasses to shatter when you drop them.


    • paola44
      June 28, 2019 @ 10:41 am

      Deep sinks are good, you don’t splash water everywhere, it makes a huge difference! Then the low cabinets et the countertops have to be higher so you don’t hurt your back, where is the problem?
      I don’t like sinks with apron, it’s the first and nearly the only thing you see in a kitchen, and that should not be, especially when the rest of the kitchen is beautiful, like your one is going to be.


  14. Carol Lackey
    June 27, 2019 @ 2:20 pm

    So here is my question– I see that you obsess just as much as I do about these types of construction details–thank goodness I am not alone–but how are you keeping track of all of your photo ideas and sorting them for easy retrieval? I have so many as well. And then how do you upload to be all on one blog post? Must take forever. I search for a so,option for a project I am working on and this reminded me to ask you. TIA.


  15. Nikki07
    June 27, 2019 @ 2:36 pm

    Why not miter the decorative piece to go around the apron? Everything planar (like the “pretend there’s a sink here” photo) and then where your fancy trim would “butt into the side of the sink” instead miter to go down the side, across the bottom, up the other side?

    That, or make it a feature with rosettes or similar. You could get a lot of inspiration from different ways door casings and trim are assembled!


  16. Shirley Pott
    June 27, 2019 @ 2:46 pm

    You are definitely onto something with the trim. How about treating your constructed sink like a hybrid inset/undermount. Inset the back and sides seamlessly into the countertop, make the front flush with the cabinets and run the counter edge and trim across the top of the front. I don’t see why the front needs to be lower in the first place. Why can’t it have a fancy lip?


  17. Caren G Tarvin
    June 27, 2019 @ 3:02 pm

    OMG! I missed the post where you decided to go with dark cabinets!

    Off to search the blog!


  18. Kate
    June 27, 2019 @ 4:03 pm

    If the faucet makers can make pot fillers for over the stove…they can make one to fill your giant fancy thing sink! GO for it!


  19. lou
    June 27, 2019 @ 4:15 pm

    So it sounds like you want an integrated sink (like the original coriander style—gawd) with apron front, trim and no bump!! You do make it interesting! Why can’t the sink top edge be level with he counter top edge??


  20. Constant Weeder
    June 27, 2019 @ 4:19 pm

    You are going to LOVE the wall-mounted faucet!!! No little puddles of water to obsess about wiping up…and I love my deep kitchen sink in our eat-in kitchen…it obscures soaking pots, pans, and dishes. I’m looking forward to your kitchen. Keep us posted!


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