1. Ross MacTaggart
    March 21, 2018 @ 12:01 pm

    In my 1894 house, I will be installing undercounter refrigerator drawers, and freezer drawers.

    So, no tall cube in a corner!

    And a regular fridge in the basement for overflow.


    • Jennifer
      March 21, 2018 @ 2:33 pm

      Try greendemolitiins.com for a showroom model, or used at a much better price. Plenty of used outlets around, some remodels get rid of new/newer appliances that don’t fit the owners aesthetic.


  2. TucsonPatty
    March 21, 2018 @ 12:05 pm

    Victoria, I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for over 30 years, and your posts about the cruelty in the dairy and poulty business have definately given me pause. I am rethinking my eating habits because of your input. Thank you for showing us your heart and risking wrath at the hands of your readers.
    Thank you also for your awesome posts about the turnings of your mind in your remodeling escapades. I love reading your blog.


    • RobynB
      March 21, 2018 @ 12:27 pm

      TusconPatty – right there with you. Been lacto-ovo veg for 40 years, and am now finding myself trying to minimize eggs and dairy, largely because of VEB’s posts. I just started buying Elmhurst nut milks and love them, especially the cashew. That’s milk handled, now on to the other foods….


      • Emilt
        March 21, 2018 @ 1:25 pm

        Chao vegan ‘cheese’ is best for the slices. Trader Joe’s has a vegan mozzarella that we got used to after a while, and the SO Delicious mozz isn’t bad either. Trader Joe’s also has a coconut creamer that makes coffee sing. Earth Balance is the best vegan butter, both for spreading on things and for baking. Bob’s Red Mill egg replacer works well in most baking. It took us several months to make the transition from vegetarian to vegan, trying out all the different replacement options, learning what we could just live without, and finding surprise egg/dairy hidden in the ingredient list of some of our processed foods. But in the end, it’s been a journey that is well worth it to know we are making ethical choices as both animal lovers and environmentalists.


  3. home before dark
    March 21, 2018 @ 12:12 pm

    In my remodel the one thing I had my heart set on was the SubZero 48″ pro refrigerator/freezer aka a serious religious sacred object. I thought I would have to do a de-fib on my husband when the sticker shock hit. But I persisted and made cuts (mostly open shelving and Gladiator tool cabinets for storage and work benches) else where and today, everyday, she brings me such joy. I’ve named her Mrs. Patmore, the Downton Abbey cook who didn’t know what to do with new fangled refrigeration. At almost 70, my kitchen is the total opposite of yours. I wanted it to look like and be a working lab of a kitchen. Yet I so enjoy your writing and your vision of what is dreamy for you. I agree with others who say you should do standup! Yes, you are that funny.


  4. NevadaNy
    March 21, 2018 @ 12:17 pm

    $7000 for a fridge???

    Buy a good basic fridge. Find a Huge Fancy Antique Door and paint it white and and some great big beautiful Brass knobs and hinges. Or Black Iron ones. I love Black Iron. Attach it to the fridge door. I just used screws.
    The Fancy Old Things in your home and not going to like New and Modern moving in.

    With all the money you save- You could start a Backyard chicken coop. You could go all kinds of crazy making your husband build you a Victorian Chicken Coop. A few hens will give you all the eggs you need. No need for a rooster if you don’t want one. If everyone did this we could crush the Horrible Industrial Egg Corporations. It isn’t just the baby boy chickens. The hens live their entire lives in small cages.
    There are great photos of fancy Victorian Chicken Coops online……..


    • snowy
      March 26, 2018 @ 8:15 pm

      Yes and yes.
      We had chickens and they were pets. We were not allowed to have roosters, but some people keep them for pets, beauty, whatever, anyway. Backyard chickens, ducks, goats, etc. are the way to go. Kids love having pet chickens and ducks for eggs, goats to milk, and other animals. It teaches them responsibility and compassion. There is nothing like eggs from your own chickens, duck eggs are divine. We HATE store eggs, they are crap. Let the animals have the run of your back yard. They love it and it is beautiful to watch and be a part of.


  5. Elizabeth Graham
    March 21, 2018 @ 12:18 pm

    I have a panel front subzero that I inherited with my house. It probably dates from 1985, and I absolutely love it. We have never had a problem having it fixed or getting parts. The panels match the cabinets. You will not be sorry.


  6. Claudia
    March 21, 2018 @ 12:21 pm

    Wait – I’m confused. Where is the refrigerator going now?


  7. dux
    March 21, 2018 @ 12:27 pm

    You struck a (less manic) chord with me. I remember twelve years ago as we were planning our kitchen it was the refrigerator and freezer which gave us the most pause. And trouble. I love love love the look of a Traulsen but at that time they (all glass front fridges) were notorious energy hogs, plus my partner was and remains a notorious slob (really, really gross). After literally years (three) of research, we chose the Thermador columns, separate fridge and freezer, and two (elsewhere) fridge drawers. And we ultimately had to get another freezer in the basement. We have kids, the eldest now a teenager so I rest my case.

    I desperately wanted to do a faux icebox look, madly in love with it, but even though thirteen years ago doesn’t seem that long, in the world of false fronts and available hardware it actually is. We had ours (which bracket the entrance to our dining room) made to look like cupboards, with a “door” on top and “drawers” (with quarks to really give the impression of depth) on the bottom. Looks freaking fantastic, and people who come over are always like “that’s a big pantry you have — where’s the fridge?” So now that I’ve lived with this beautiful and “hidden” kitchen all these years can I say that next time I’d make everything obvious so guests can easily help themselves. And I’d have fewer nooks + crannies to clean with a toothpick, and I am not kidding.

    Same as I’d say I wouldn’t do a white / Calacatta kitchen, because I’ve scratched that itch for many years.

    Of course, these are such first world issues that complaining about cleaning the false fronts makes me want to kick myself. But I’m a good person so I won’t.

    Happy refrigerating, Pesach, and Easter.


    • FORMoverFUNCTIONfan
      March 27, 2018 @ 8:15 pm

      I swear, I read your post, but I couldn’t comprehend anything after quarks. I fear my brain will be useless until I see photos of this masterpiece. Help a sister out?


  8. Allie
    March 21, 2018 @ 12:30 pm

    I think a white panel fridge will look stunning, especially when paired with the grand piano. Is the end of the kitchen renovation in sight? xAllie http://www.theallthatglittersblog.com


  9. Penny
    March 21, 2018 @ 1:20 pm

    Please….no glass front frige, are you going to have to style your leftovers everyday to accomodate the artist in you? Where does that ugly milk container go? or do you have to re-contain the milk (etc) in a pleasing container for proportion to the rest of the frige contents? or just paste a picture of the perfect arrangement to the back of the glass? ?????


  10. Beth C
    March 21, 2018 @ 1:26 pm

    You could go with the Dacor, more affordable fridge if you put a satellite fridge in the basement—it can be ugly as can be and affordable (maybe even a Craig’s List find). I LOVE my satellite fridge. I do a happy dance whenever I put the overflow in there, especially at holidays. I bet both fridges would be less than the Thermador.


  11. Lynne Rutter
    March 21, 2018 @ 1:32 pm

    We downsized to a skinny smaller fridge with the freezer on the bottom. With only two of us in the house how big does the darn fridge really need to be? Anyway I got the Fagor (all recycled/recyclable materials) in stainless steel and then my old friend Jane Powell said that “stainless steel is the avocado green of our generation” and I immediately wished I had considered a built-in option. BTW the Habitat for Humanity Re-store is a good place to look for appliances, too. Some people donate the fanciest stuff. https://www.habitat.org


  12. Rosemary Gregory
    March 21, 2018 @ 1:33 pm

    I think your idea of panels door(s) to match your cabinets fits the idea of hiding the refrigerator. Barn doors, gorgeous antique doors will draw attention to it. Have to say I almost spit out my coffee when I read that you thought the answer was to move refrigerator to the basement! Loved Penny’s comment about your having to style your refrigerator every day if you had glass front doors. What a wit! Love, love, love your columns!!


    • Ryan
      March 21, 2018 @ 4:37 pm

      My refrigerator is in the basement. It’s a 9.5′ square kitchen plus 46×51″ breakfast nook and three doors (had four but we closed one up) so no room for a giant hulking fridge. After 10 years we’re going to add a hidden undercounter fridge/freezer for ice cubes and leftovers and condiments. It’s not necessary though and I’m actually wondering if I just sacrificed a bunch of cookware storage but I already bought the fridge.


  13. Candace Ford
    March 21, 2018 @ 1:38 pm

    I am appalled and in utter and profound disbelief that all the times I have looked lovingly at the chickies at the farm store longing for the day when our barn is done and I can have chickens here APPALLED I SAY that it never once occurred to me (a college graduate and life long country girl I’ll have you know) that the boys are just “disposed” of.


  14. judy
    March 21, 2018 @ 1:51 pm

    The aspect of this that worries me is the investment versus resale value-solved I think by your intent to live where you are till you are retired and/or beyond. Beyond that I think you have a form of OCD that involves demanding absolute perfection/since you accomplished that demand by finding Paul…. and you are super perfect IMHO….don’t sweat the smaller stuff. You must know that whatever Self and Paul bring to fruition will be as lovely,unique and sublimely bee u tee full as is humanly possible. We in Virginia are now disappearing under a deep blanket of snow-how are the Dalias? I am praying my little japanese maples aren’t doomed.


  15. Emily
    March 21, 2018 @ 1:53 pm

    I love, love, love reading your blog.

    I’ve never had the money to do a darned thing, so I enjoy the flights of fancy! I live in a very pretty house, 1898, with a sizeable yard. I fervently hope that the next owner loves it too and does a VEB on it.


  16. Becky Schneider
    March 21, 2018 @ 2:52 pm

    #1 I think Paul must love you very very much.
    #2 I am more practical-minded than you…almost spit out my drink when I heard you wanted to move the frig to the basement- glad Paul prevailed there. Though more practical minded- I LOVE LOVE LOVE the looks you achieve- my first post of yours I read was getting the gigantic mirror… wonderful.
    #3 I never knew that about baby boy chicks…but it doesn’t bother me too much- not enough to not eat chicken or eggs. (sorry- farm girl here) we had chickens or awhile, but just FOR eggs…never had to deal with that.
    #4 please- NEVER GO WITH GLASS DOORS ON A FRIG- You will hate it! I have glass doors on one cab when we did our kitchen makeover- just to keep plates, glasses, dishes in. it’s bothering me the baby sippy cups of my grandchildren peeking through those glass doors- they will grow up- it won’t be forever…
    #5 if the one fits your needs but is 2 cubic feet smaller- get a 2nd frig in the basement. You can deal with that. You were willing to deal with the WHOLE frig being in the basement. We have a little basement frig (about the size of a dishwasher- plus we have a chest freezer) that basement frig keeps extra drinks, extra eggs, extra butter/cheese, etc., nice place for casseroles waiting to be cooked for special big family dinners, etc. The total cost to run the basement frig is about 10 cents a day. Totally worth it.


  17. Lindsay
    March 21, 2018 @ 3:30 pm

    You have lived without a working kitchen for so long. Do you really even need one? Imagine, you could turn that whole space into a kitten wonderland, and I’ll bet they wouldn’t even notice the lack of a refrigerator.


  18. Amanda L
    March 21, 2018 @ 3:51 pm

    That last photo of the very large icebox is amazing. We have one for sale (admittedly in poor condition) at the local Habitat Restore. I’ve watched the price drop from $800 to $600. I find myself wanting to gut it (again, it is in poor condition) and turn it into a fun clothing and shoe closet.
    I love the big and fancy things, and the more useless the better, lol.
    Love your posts!


  19. Erin
    March 21, 2018 @ 3:55 pm

    I think the Sub Zero is a good choice if you consider it as an investment. We recently replaced our 27 year old Sub Zero with a new paneled front Sub Zero and I absolutely love it.
    27 Years we got out of the old one! That’s hard to beat. And they are tremendous for resale value if that’s a concern.


  20. Marianne in Mo.
    March 21, 2018 @ 5:02 pm

    Oh to have your problems! We ( the poor ) vacillated over spending $1200 for a run of the mill fridge! Ended up with a GE package kitchen – french door fridge, gas range, and dishwasher in slate color. It works fine, doesn’t look horrible and we are content. Yes, I would dearly love to have fancy, but will I die a slow death by not having it? No, I don’t think so. I also drive a 12 year old car that I love to death and wish it was still made, so I could buy a new one just like the old. Also – have you considered that a tall fridge, given your height, will need a stepladder to access the upper shelves? Just a thought!
    Thankfully, I am allergic to eggs, so my head is free of guilt regarding the chicks. I can’t even get vaccinations, because they use chicken eggs to develop the vaccine!


  21. liz
    March 21, 2018 @ 5:51 pm

    Short & sweet – my white paneled sub zero (same panel as my cabinets) is 30 years old and I love it!!!


  22. Lisa D.
    March 21, 2018 @ 6:33 pm

    I LOVE reading your blog, Victoria. The info you posted about baby boy chicks just breaks my heart. I had no idea.


  23. Karen Harrison
    March 21, 2018 @ 7:21 pm

    Wait! I thought you were moving to Hawaii?


  24. A.
    March 21, 2018 @ 7:59 pm

    I have loved this blog as well. The humor is amazing. I loved following the kittens and the remodel updates. But as a with-all-my-heart animal lover, being unexpectedly smacked in the face with the awfulness about the chicks at the end of a seemingly innocuous post about refrigerator choices was both horrifying and heartbreaking. I’m not one to hide my head in the sand. I know what goes on in this industry, the dairy industry and with animal cruelty in general. I do what I can to contribute to those organizations who are working to put a stop to the cruelty and I agree completely with your position on the subject. I just don’t think it’s fair to force the horror upon your readers in such a manner. I have enjoyed reading your posts because you write well and you’re extremely funny and it’s a nice break from the sometimes ugly realities of the world. But I am unsubscribing today. I’m sure many won’t understand but there are a LOT of softhearted animal lovers like myself out here who are doing what they can to help, but would rather not have the overwhelming horror of it all involuntarily thrust upon them when they are least expecting it. Please understand, this isn’t coming from a position of anger, but rather, from an extremely tender heart. Thanks for the laughs. Best of luck to you always.


  25. Eleanor Villeneuve
    March 21, 2018 @ 10:03 pm

    Have you seen Yolanda Hadid’s refrigerator that she designed? I believe it has its own Facebook page.


  26. Christine
    March 22, 2018 @ 4:07 am

    I’m so glad you’ve found a happy end to the refrigerator journey. Sometimes, simple is best.

    Regarding boy chickens, that is not true in Australia. The boys are used by the same company for meat chickens. Personally, I keep my own chickens and happily eat guilt free eggs knowing the girls will be kept long after they stop laying and go the big yard in the sky.


    • judy
      March 22, 2018 @ 12:27 pm

      I was a child in the forties and corny as it seems ,I wish we Americans could recapture a sense of independence from the huge,the corporate grip on all we need and use. Probably not possible but everything big box and made thousands of mile from where it will be paid for and used seems asinine to me. What happens when these countries(not democratic,and strongly opposed to freedom of the people-(may lead to rebellion of their own populations) decide that prices need no longer reflect forced labor costs and no regulation against unfair work practices and pollution and can now generate greater profits since we the buyers now have no other sources due to all other sources having been driven from the marketplace. I guarantee you this is going to happen unless America returns to making at least some necessities for themselves on American soil. We are presently in thrall to mainly China and Communist China would enjoy nothing more than bringing a great Nation to its proverbial knees-begging that the container ships keep coming.

      The environmental cost of shipping stuff is huge. Can we fix that? – Vox
      Dec 23, 2015 – Much of the stuff around us at any given moment — be it product, commodity, or raw material — was once on a boat. To get from wherever it was made or … Ships handle roughly 90 percent of global trade, nearly 10 billion metric tons (11 billion tons) of stuff per year. Boats and ports are only a part of the …etc.


  27. Morgan
    March 22, 2018 @ 10:57 am

    As a person who likes convenience (like refrigerators in the kitchen) AND someone who is OBSESSED with symmetry, I had a thought.

    I know you hate fridges and everything they stand for. But… what about getting MATCHING separate fridge and freezers? Then you can make it all symmetrical and matching with cabinet front panels.


  28. Lynette
    March 22, 2018 @ 11:44 am

    For an appliance that is used daily, I say get the best you can afford and save $$ elsewhere. Regarding the chicks, most people would be horrified at what happens to them, but that’s what happens to babies on a daily basis and people turn a blind eye.


  29. Charlotte
    March 22, 2018 @ 7:36 pm

    I’d like to say, “For Pete’s Sake, just pick a refrigerator and have it over with!” But since that isn’t a nice thing to say, I’ll say this instead: Maybe you need to just take a step back and do something else. Give the fridge a rest and go back in a bit with a fresh start and maybe a new outlook. Wishing you the best in whatever you decide.


  30. Rebecca Grace
    March 23, 2018 @ 9:09 pm

    I think you should take a break from Fridge Angst and go shoe shopping. Trust me, it will help. As for the chicks — this is appalling! Surely small farms don’t do this too??


  31. Rebecca Grace
    March 23, 2018 @ 9:50 pm

    Okay… So I did some follow up research and it looks like the U.S. egg industry has pledged to stop killing male chicks by 2020, by using emerging technology to identify the sex of the eggs before they hatch… This is supposed to be a victory for animal rights advocates, but I’m not feeling like throwing a party for some reason. But then I found out about a guy who is trying to go back to heritage chicken farming using normal chickens that can lay eggs AND get big enough for meat, so the male chicks would no longer be superfluous: http://theplate.nationalgeographic.com/2014/08/29/open-sourcing-chicken-breaking-free-from-corporate-genetics/. Anyway, I thought you’d be interested. We can decide to personally not eat eggs to support the industry, but lots of other people are still going to keep on buying eggs and chicken meat. Helping humane poultry farmers create an alternative to the sadistic commercial farm products is something we can do to help make a difference.


    March 24, 2018 @ 9:35 pm

    Just now found you. Just now subscribed. Just now fell in LOVE. 🙂


  33. Casandra MacAlan
    March 29, 2018 @ 1:10 pm

    After your last post were you illuminated in unforgivable and unforgettable ways – the true cost of the meat and dairy industry, not only to the animals, but to the very sustainability of the earth, I gave them both up. I, a person who is 0± blood type (see blood type diet), and has been a meat and dairy eater MY WHOLE LIFE. I, who two years ago had to go on A VERY strict diet in order to manage my auto immune disease. No grain, soy, starch, sugar or lactose (only aged cheeses), plus no corn, and only specific beans (see SCD diet). I who basically lived off a diet close to paleo minutes the root vegetables. I became a ovo-pescatarian (along with my whole family-because I do all the shopping and cooking so TAKE WHAT I GIVE YOU!) And now, to reward me for giving up most foods in the world. Let’s see… I can eat fruits, vegetables, and um… Yeah. Are giving me information to take away my eggs? Next will you come for my fish? For the love of God woman. I don’t promote circuses, I foster kittens AND volunteer at a shelter weekly, now I live off of nothing and still is not enough for you. Can’t you leave me my blessed ignorance now that you’ve already changed our lives? ARGHHHHHH… My family is going to leave me.😵


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